Volume 2, Issue 1, January 2006
Whole Number 10
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Features in this issue
==> Index to 2005 Gobrecht Journal articles.
==> Notes on "No Drapery" versus "With Drapery" Design Types by Len Augsburger.
==> Update on 1842 Small Date Small Letters Reverse half dollars.
==> Jules Reiver collection to be auctioned in January.
==> Recent email traffic.
==> Gobrecht Journal Index for 2005. For your information and use, here is a listing of the articles published in the Gobrecht Journal in 2005 (issues 92, 93, and 94). – Editor.
Issue Page # Title
93 13 An Analysis of Hand Punched Positions on No Drapery
Seated Dimes by Len Augsburger
93 34 An Unusual 1854 V-1 Half Dime by
92 49 An 1856 Half Dime with Missing Denticles by John
94 32 An 1871 Half Dime by
Issue Page # Title
94 41 The Major 100
93 43 An 1841 Dime with an Obverse Rim Cud by Ken Cable-
92 17 An 1841-O Dime with a Retained Cud Surfaces by Gerry
93 21 A New 1853 With Arrows Half Dime with a Repunched
Date by Mark Sheldon
94 35 Updated Prices for 1871-CC through 1874-CC Seated
Dimes by Paul Bradley
93 38 Obverse Cuds on 1875-CC Dimes by Tim Cook
94 49 The 1886-S Seated Dime by Bill Cregan
Issue Page # Title
93 3 An Updated Review of the Seated Quarter Series by Bob
93 24 Relating Seated Quarter Mintages to Events from the 19th
92 40 A Study of Two Choice Uncirculated 1840 Quarters by
93 42 An 1842-O Quarter with an Unusual
93 36 The Unique 1855-S Proof Quarter by Len Augsburger
92 52 True Rarity of the 1860-S Quarter in AU by James C.
Issue Page # Title
93 45 A Summary of the Seated Half Dollar Census Data by
93 30 Another 1857 Half Dollar with Extra Digits in the Rock by
94 3 Die Marriages of 1861-O Half Dollars by Randall E.
92 32 The Story of a Bogus 1878-CC Half Dollar by Bill Bugert
Issue Page # Title
92 22 The Legend Business Strike Seated Dollar Collection by
93 31 Correction to Legend Seated Dollar Article by Joe
93 32 Counterfeit Seated Dollars and Trade Dollars Still
Available on eBay by Bert Schlosser
Issue Page # Title
92 3 The Best of Times: Recollections of a Dedicated Seated
Collector by James C. Gray
92 20 Some Thoughts For Success in Finding the Tough Dates
by James Macor
92 31 Drawing for Free Seated Albums by Jim Gray
93 35 Results of Drawing for Free Seated Albums by Jim Gray
92 36 When Did the With Stars Design First Appear on Seated
Dimes and Half Dimes? By Tom DeLoery
92 38 Building a Five Piece 1875-CC Silver Date Set by
92 42 The 20 Greatest Seated Coins by John McCloskey
92 50 Schlosser Wins Ahwash Award for 2004 by John
93 40 Premiere Edition of the Ahwash Encyclopedia by John
94 39 The LSCC Electronic Newsletter – The E-Gobrecht by
94 50 Report on 32nd Annual Meeting of LSCC by Mark
Unquestionably, there will be an impact to the rate at
which I have been upgrading my seated dime variety collection and the
upgrading of content of the web-book at www.seateddimevarieties.com. However, via the internet, I still plan to
be an active buyer at major auctions or for select dimes on eBay. I hope that the Dreamweaver web-book
management software will port easily to a new laptop and accompany me to
The Bunker Collection on eBay
There was considerable excitement for Liberty Seated Dime
collectors this month as a nearly complete set of dimes appeared on
eBay. The 197 dime collection was
missing the 1871 through 1874
The first listing of the collection produced a high bid of $44,100, which did not meet the reserve. Bunker, the agent listing the set, provided nice photographs of all the dimes as contained within the Dansco album pages. From the digital images, one could determine that the collector gave priority to the purchase of well-struck coins with originality being subordinated to strike. Some of the dimes appeared to be strictly choice and original while others were obviously cleaned per the Dansco album photographs.
The following week, the 197 dimes were individually listed on eBay with all lots having the same ending time. This listing strategy created problems for those individuals who rely on automated sniping programs to make last second bids and purchases on eBay. The sniping programs could only execute a handful of snipe bids against the 197 listings. Therefore, the early bidding on the individual lots was substantial with the entire collection bidding at about $42,000 at 30 minutes before the auction listing ending times. The last half hour saw furious bidding by established seated dime variety collectors pushing the total collection price realized to about $49,000. The demand for fresh seated dimes was strong with many of the coins bringing full CoinValues retail prices. Unfortunately, I did not record all of the individual prices realized and will not elaborate on individual prices.
Personally, I won 18 dimes out of the sale and kept 12 after receiving the dimes for inspection and acceptance. Most notable was a shattered F-103 1854-O dime with a new obverse/reverse die pairing. The collector had labeled the dime as being the infamous Greer-101 Shattered Obverse (F-102) but that attribution was incorrect. Instead, the cracked obverse was F-103 but paired with the reverse from F-102. This pairing was unknown prior to the sale of this set and I had to have the dime for the web-book. The winning bid was an expensive $511 for an EF45 coin as another seated dime specialist also noticed the uniqueness of this 1854-O dime. This purchase and many others have been photographed and listed at www.seateddimevarieties.com.
Discovery of Second Obverse for 1872 Double Die Reverse
During December, a well known LSCC member and seated coinage specialist sent me a nice 1872 Double Die Reverse (F-105) dime that he had recently bought. The dime graded EF/AU and was thought to be an earlier die state of the doubled reverse since the doubling was very pronounced. Upon receiving the coin, I immediately used my stereo microscope for a detailed inspection and discovered that the obverse die did not match the characteristics of the NGC MS61 plate coin used in the web-book. Granted, both coins had a flat or blob head which is so typical for this major variety. After inspecting the new dime, I posted the following announcement on the message board forums at www.seateddimevarieties.com;
This is why I've learned to never take a known variety for granted...
Recently, a well known seated dealer sent me an 1872 seated dime with the now famous 180 Deg DDR. The dime was all of EF45 and what I thought was an early die state with no die clashing on the obverse. This observation sparked my interest for a closer look and a comparison against my NGC61 plate coin. Well guess what? The die lathe or polish lines are completely different on both specimens. A close look at the date position revealed that they are very similar but positioned differently. The date is a tad more left on the specimen with the new obverse and has a slight upward slope. So, the new specimen was actually a new obverse paired with the later die state DDR reverse.
Now the million dollar question for this variety? Why does every 1872 DDR example have a blob
or partial head. Why would an obverse
paired with this DDR reverse always produce a partial head on
Happy Hunting……Gerry Fortin
==> Notes on
"No Drapery" vs. "With Drapery" Design Types by Len
Augsburger. In compiling a list of
bibliographic sources on Christian Gobrecht's life and work, I ran into an
interesting article on the contributions of Robert Ball Hughes to seated
coinage, written by Georgia Chamberlain in the August 1958 number of the
Numismatist. Hughes was paid $75 for
his efforts in reworking the original Gobrecht design, which resulted in the
"with drapery" types beginning in 1840 for most seated
denominations. Hughes invoiced the
mint on June 24th, 1840, explaining in part the scarcity of "with
drapery" dimes for that year, these apparently not minted until later in
the year, and in relatively smaller quantities than the "no
drapery" type. Chamberlain
further comments on Ball's design changes: "Robert Ball Hughes probably
studied Thomas Sully's original drawings for the figure of
==> Update on
the 1842 Small Date Small Letters Reverse half dollar by Bill Bugert. In the last issue of the E-Gobrecht, I detailed my personal events
of the sale of the Stack’s 1842 Small Date and Small letters reverse half
dollar. In that write-up, I mentioned
there might be four known – the first VF 20 discovered by Brian Greer, the
Stack’s coin, and two others believed to exist by a reliable source. Brian Greer ran the rumor of the two others
to ground and discovered the other two do not exist. In his edited email, he states “Hi Bill, I
spoke to “the reliable source” at the
==> Jules Reiver
collection to be auctioned
“Mark Borckardt responds:
Finally, we have the Reiver Collection sale schedule set in stone. We anticipate three separate catalogs, one for early copper, a second for early silver, and a third for modern issues beginning with the Liberty Seated silver coinage.
All JRCS members who are not already on our mailing list will be sent a complimentary catalog of the early silver coinage upon request. The next copy of the JRCS Journal will have an insert with specific details about requesting the catalog.
January 21-22-23 (Saturday -Sunday - Monday)
January 24 (Tuesday)
- Half Cents
- 4:30 PM Reception with Reiver family
- 6 PM Early Large Cents
January 25 (Wednesday)
- Middle Date Cents
- 6 PM Late Date Cents
January 26 (Thursday)
- Modern Coins I
- 6 PM Modern Coins II
January 27 (Friday.)
- Half Dimes - Quarters
- 6 PM Early Half Dollars I
January 28 (Saturday)
- 10 AM Early Half Dollars II and Early Dollars
Editor: Heritage's web site can be accessed at www.hnai.com.”
==> Email traffic. Here are some emails the Editor recently received:
Len Augsburger: …By the way, I found out who has the Hoidale archive (Note: A recent George Kolbe sale featured the Glenn Hoidale archive of compiled half dime sales and auction record, covering the period from 1953-1988 – Editor). It looks like he is willing to share, so I'll have an opportunity to write this up later on.
Keith Scott: Hi Bill, Sign me up for the e-newsletter. In addition, since I started collecting SL halves I've been unable to find a copy of the WB reference book. I borrowed a copy from a member of the SJ coin club, but it's not the same as having my own. I haven't even seen one on Ebay or Charles Davis. FYI - I completed a set of proof SL quarters from 1857 and found Larry Briggs book to be invaluable. The more I know - the more I can contribute. Regards - Keith Scott (a real SLCC member).
Sherwood Elkind: Thanks Bill. Mike Fey is a friend of mine and he encouraged me to subscribe. Like so many other collectors, I started when I was young but life’s challenges sidetracked me. I recently re-entered the hobby, but, this time with a bit more time and money. Thanks for including me in the E-Gobrecht. I will contribute when I can.
Vicken Yegparian: Just a quick question about the format of the E-Gobrecht files. I usually print these out and take with me to read on the subway on the way to and from work. When the file prints out, the last line is inevitably cut off. I can't figure out what formatting to change so as not to lose the bottom of the file. Any ideas? (Editor responds: It sounds like you have a page formatting problem. I have three possible solutions.
1. In Microsoft Word, if you go to the File - Page Set Up Tabs and adjust the margins to your size paper, it may work.
2. In Microsoft Word, go to the Edit - Select all and then copy the contents of the E-Gobrecht to a new document with your preset margins, it may also work.
3. In Microsoft Word under printer options, check the fit to page option and that may also work.
Hope one of these work for you.”
Michael T. Whalen: Collecting Seated Halves is fascinating. The fact that these coins were once much
more a part of our money system than they are today probably means that many
more were saved, if even by accident, than some of the smaller
denominations. There are an amazing (to
me!) number of varieties to collect.
The standard volume for Seated Half collectors is of course your
volume - THE COMPLETE GUIDE TO
Alan DeShazo: Can you believe this? And it ain't over, yet. Heritage Auctions, Lot No: 2725, Description:
Seated Half Dollars, 1861-O 50C AU50 NGC. FS-7, WB-102. A spindly, mint-made die crack journeys
Alan DeShazo: I don't know if you are following the
bidding on the Heritage 1861-O, but it is at $1,300 and still days ahead of
the on-floor bidding. A good number of
years ago I bought an example of the same coin in EF for $75. A while later when pressed for money I sold
it to Bowers for $135. Too bad, I did
not keep it. Recently, I bought an
1861-O in EF for $270, but it was struck by
Scott Mickelson: I was hoping to get some information about the E- Gobrecht or the electronic publication of the LSCC. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Scott Mickelson: I was reading the new edition of the E-Gobrecht and it mentioned some information on joining the LSCC. I purchased the four volume compilation set off eBay several months ago and I would really like to get on the regular mailing list for the new issues. I guess my question is who do I send the check to? Who do I make the check payable to? Additionally, do you know if it is possible to purchase back issues? On a personal note, I have to let you know I really enjoy your seated liberty half dollar book! I am 28 and I started collecting coins when I was in my teens but then I stopped while I was in college. Now that I am out I have started collecting again these past two years and it has been great. I have really been concentrating on a seated dollar collection and a seated half dollar collection. My sets are registered as the southcountycollection on the PCGS registry set. A while back I started corresponding with Bill Davenport and Dick Osborn about seated coinage and I have just been fascinated every since. In fact, I purchased your seated half book from Dick Osborn shortly before he ran out. One last note, last night I was looking at your book and my seated half dollar collection and I noticed that my 1842-O medium date seated half had part of a 4 sticking out of liberty's drapery, low and behold a WB-103 variety. I had never noticed before, and in a PCGS XF40 holder with fantastic original tone!
Dick Osburn: The next month will be a very busy
one. I will be leaving for the FUN
==> Recent or upcoming Liberty Seated Collections on the market. Please report others for distribution in the E-Gobrecht.
Heritage Numismatic Auctions will offer the Andy Geosits Collection of Trade Dollars as part of the FUN 2006 Signature auction on January 4 and 5, 2006. Check it out at www.HeritageCoins.com.
Numismatic Auctions will offer the Jules Reiver collection of copper, silver,
and gold coinage on
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